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Wednesday 1 July 2015

Call Me Pinocchio!


When do lies become a clear choice for children?

William has started lying a lot at the moment and, quite frankly, it’s really starting to annoy me.
I can’t pinpoint when he realised that lying was an alternative choice but I know that between both him and James that somewhere along the lines they have picked it up especially when you take into account the post called “Daddy Said” but I have always seen that as exaggerating rather than direct lying. 

I have two main problems with this though:
1. William’s lies are terrible: even when they’re slightly more believable it’s blatant that he’s lying.

2. He stares straight at me, when questioned, and sticks to his lie.

It is a known fact that I cannot, for the life of me, tell a lie; I am as obvious as poor old Pinocchio and whenever I have told a lie people spot my “Lying face”.

This, as a child, was a nightmare.

I was, out of my brother and I, the one who always got caught out and the one who got punished more because I thought I could get away with it.
For all of those who have seen me and the boys together you will know that they are the spitting image of me; William especially looks like me.

Within this fact lies the first problem: William has my lying face.
I can take one look at him and within his face I see his eyes change and worse his lying mouth. Sadly, for William, it never worked for me and it definitely doesn’t work for him.

He, obviously, has the same cheek that I did and believes he can look me straight in the eyes when lying. In truth this actually hurts me more. I would much rather him realise that he has been caught out and tell me the truth and subsequently avoid a worst case scenario.
The thing is within all of this he still stands by the rule of not having secrets. He will loudly and clearly say “No, we don’t keep secrets” So why then is he thinking that it’s OK to lie?

Isn’t lying brought under the same premise as secrets; ultimately both are withholding information.
I know that most children will tell lies at some point, It's part of their development, but it has come as a surprise at the extent he's doing it. I also know that generally children lie more between 4 and 6 where they become more talented and inventive with it.
Knowing something and being in it is difficult especially if this will continue for a while.
I grew out of my lying stage when I was around 28 (I know it’s late but I know that a lot of people still lie and cover up information) I realised that I was so terrible at it that I might as well stop.
(I think the realisation came with watching too many episodes of Eastenders! Lies and secrets always come out)
Sadly I still run the reverse of this and within my honesty you find that I talk too much and haven’t put the brakes on. Too much honesty can definitely be a bad thing. (But maybe that should be another post)
So where do I go with getting the balance right when raising the boys?

I need to teach them that lying is wrong and I need them to see the parallel between lies and secrets.
What would you do, or done, when your child blatantly lies to your face?

32 comments:

  1. My daughter will blatantly lie, and keep the lie going, never admitting until you change the "re you lying?" question to "are you making this up?" When she will admit it,I think it is the not wanting to be caught in a lie, you could try that tack?

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    1. That's an interesting point. When Will first gets caught out he smiles (doesn't help matters) and then it dawns on him that it's not a good thing. Maybe asking him differently would be useful.

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  2. Oooh this is a tricky one isn't it?? Is James the same? I'm just wondering if it's worth making a HUGE deal each time either one of them tells the truth (even if they were VERY naughty) and see how that goes?

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    1. James is joining in at the name blame. So will lie at that point. The rest of James' behaviour is just exaggerating.
      I could try that with them. We used to have some different reward scheme's when teaching that I could try.

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  3. My 7yo daughter is lying a lot too but she also has a terrible face for it too. The worst was the other she cut her hair and blamed her little brother, continuously in the end my husband said he could look at an outside camera then the truth came flowing! My 4yo lies about his sister hitting him or pinching him, he's going through a real boundary phase at the moment and it's tough! With Midge whose 7 it's just frustrating as she knows what lying is and looks me in the eye to continue it. Sigh.

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    1. I think that's part of the problem. With him being older he knows not to do it and how wrong it is. I know James had some understanding but not to the same degree and William. I obviously don't want any of them lying though. But I agree it's infuriating!!

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  4. Libby has also started to lie a bit but not to the extent where it's a problem so far - I think that comes when they're a little older. I'm guessing it's just a phase? Oddly, my dad got it bang on with one of my sisters and even now she doesn't lie. She had hit her sister and dad had seen her but she didn't know he was there. So he asked her about it and she lied. He then told her exactly what had happened. She asked her how he knew and he (lying) said that he knew everything because he was magic. I'm not sure I agree with fighting lies with lies but it didn't happen again, she's the most honest person I know ;)

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  5. Mine are still a bit young for lying. I imagine there is probably a period where kids lie for the novelty of it when they first realise they can - another example of testing boundaries and new skills. I also believe that children will often lie, and really dig into their lies even when clearly ridiculous, because their reasoning skills & ability to judge consequences are not fully developed. They tend to try to lie and cover things up as the simplest option, because reasoning through all alternative outcomes is difficult for them. #bigfatlinky

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  6. Great post and I think it's inevitable that the kids are going to lie. Our eldest is a terrible liar but our four year old can lie with the best of them. In fact it's actually a bit scary how good she is at it. Thankfully she's a good kid so doesn't really lie very often....or does she? #bigfatlinky

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  7. Martyn I would totally be struggling with this, as I hate lying too. You must do well to keep calm and steady. I think it is a "phase" (the most annoying phrase ever) and is part of learning. Have you tried just gently telling William you know it not the truth and instigating some form of punishment so he know it is wrong? Perhaps over time he will learn this and will pass xx #bigfatlinky

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  8. Hmmm. A tough one and probably no easy answers! Just consistency, love and patience! (easier to say than do I know). Always appreciate the honesty of your posts Martyn. #bigfatlinky

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  9. The older two have lied to me and then been caught out. They know it is wrong and they know that above anything else i hate lying. I tell them very calmly that I am disappointed and tell them to go and think about what they have done. Then i get them to come back at explain why they told a lie and why it was wrong. it's so tough - inside it makes my blood boil . Good luck #bigfatlinky

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  10. I don't think there's an easy answer is there? I'd say being consistent with your approach is the best method; though it's not something I've yet had to deal with. Hopefully he will just grow out of it if he realises nothing good can come from it and he is shown that.

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  11. It's tricky. I think it's a phase. My son used to be the same, but he grew out of it. Now older, he does lie on occasion, but only to spare people's feelings.
    #bigfatlinky

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  12. I think all children go through a lying phase, I think it's because they realise they can. I'd sit him down and talk to him. Hope he grows out of it soon! #bigfatlinky

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  13. I never had problems until Brandon hit his teenage years & a few porkies have been coming out recently, thankfully nothing serious but it drives us mad too #bigfatlinky

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  14. When my son is obviously telling a porkie, I asked him gently if that really happened or he thought it happened, most times he confesses by saying I think it happened. Then a little while later I make a point of getting the whole lie thing into a conversation such as "you know how silly people look when they get caught lying, it makes them look silly and no one believes anything they say" it usually gets the cogs working! alternatively try telling him the boy who cried wolf story? #bigfatlinky Ali from Mum in a nutshell

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  15. we have more of a problem with "story telling" lies than 'get out of trouble" lies, but I've found that telling her it makes us sad when she doesn't tell the truth makes her feel guilty

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  16. This is such a hard subject. M being 2 doesn't tell lies, she tells me straight! Sometimes not a good thing!!
    One day I am sure we will have the same problem, but in all honesty I have no idea how I will deal with it. I guess you just keep saying that its wrong and hope they will get the message! #bigfatlinky

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  17. Little man occasionally lies. When I know he is lying (or sometimes I just chance it!) I explain that 'I am asking if you did this. If you lie to me, I will be very cross. If you tell me the truth, I won't be happy but I won't be cross with you'. If he sticks to his lie, I say 'remember, I know the truth. I see things even when you think I don't. This is your last chance to tell me what happened. If you lie, you will be punished, if you tell the truth, we'll just have a chat'. 9 times out of 10 he fess's up and I thank him in a firm voice for telling the truth and tell him that I'm proud of him for telling me the truth. I then discuss what he originally lied about but do not get cross. If he sticks to an obvious lie I explain that it's time out and then he choose whether to tell the truth or lose a toy. If I'm not sure, I firmly say 'I am not happy about this young man. I want to be proud of you for telling the truth. Go away from me and have a think about things.

    Good luck! #bigfatlinky

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  18. I don't know how I would approach lieing. I am was awful when I would lie and laugh! It's good that you can tell when your little one is lieing #bigfatlinky xx

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  19. We haven't got to there yet with ours being so little. However, I wonder if giving praise for when they give you the truth or perhaps have fun 'making up stories' together for fun during a normal day and then the next time William starts to lie, turn it into a game and going along with it and saying 'lets make up more stories' or something along those lines? Maybe he just likes the idea of things be different to reality? :)

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  20. My eldest, Phoebe, is almost 5 and has started to blatantly lie to my face. One example, that was so ridiculous I can't believe she did it, was I was stood washing my hands in the bathroom & she used the toilet. She got up and went to walk out. As a reminder, I prompted her by saying "did you flush the chain and wash your hands?", she replied "yes". She didn't seem to to understand that she can't lie to me if I'm watching her do it! I think it's just their little personalities developing and them testing the boundaries of acceptability.

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  21. Some of it is about boundaries and consquences, some of it is human nature. Whilst being consistent with punishing them when caught will help, different things will help drive that message home for each. The trick is finding it! Good luck

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  22. I think all kids go through this phase. I don't have kids so I don't know if it works, but I read something a while back that the best course of action is to ignore it. Ignore the statement altogether when you know it's a lie and refuse to be drawn into a discussion about it because that in turn feeds the lie. Thanks for hosting the #bigfatlinky :)
    Debbie
    www.myrandmmusings.blogspot.com

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  23. My tired old brain can't remember but I imagine it must feel like a fascinationg discovery that you can lie and get away with it! Like magic!

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  24. Gah it IS so infuriating and you just wish they didn't do it and dig holes even bigger for themselves!

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  25. Great post and something we will all relate to at some point. My 3yo has just started telling little fibs and I'm already trying to instill that it is not acceptable. It's a tough one though as i think all kids want to try it on and see what they can get away with. My sister told kies for years and no punishment or explaining made any difference. But in the end she grew out of it and realised it wasn't a good thing..i guess they all will. He will know it's not good from how you are raising him and hopefully this phase won't last long. #bigfatlinky

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  26. This is a tough one, my husbands two boys have been over for the last week and C is really awful with lying - he is 12. Not only is he a really crap liar but also he does it all the time about everything. I really hate lying, I remember the first time I lied as a child my mum grounded me for the next 6 weeks - which just happened to be the 6 week summer holidays... I still don't feel comfortable telling little white lies to my mum (like saying I am ok when I am not) I am not sure what the right approach is =(

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  27. this is tough. We tend to make a big deal out of honesty. so anything difficult that is owned up to is actually praised even though there might be a broken something or other. We have discussions about the benefits of honesty at other times when it is not emotionally weighted. But different children react differently to it and take different approaches. Best of luck with navigating through this. #bigfatlinky

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  28. This is something I've been thinking about for a long time. I wonder if lying is innate. I mean, you ask a toddlers if pooped and they so no even if they did. Why? Why the lie? They're scared of getting in trouble? Lying, even simple lying, happens so early. Maybe it's an innate defense mechanism

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  29. We were pretty hot on this, Martyn. Mantra was: whatever you've done, tell us the truth. If you tell us the truth we can deal with it, whatever it is. If you lie to us, we can't. Applies now that they're teenagers as well. I had a very low tolerance for lying: if they lie to you at a young age you have absolutely no chance when they're teenagers.

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